We are defederating awful.systems from:
because it’s extremely anarchist to use the chatbot as your moderator (no no it’s totally human in the loop) and post corporate DARVO-filled excuses when caught.
This is a last straw after a string of dubious and exhausting behaviour.
If you’re an awful.systems user and you post to communities on those instances, you will need to create an account on one of them.
db0’s roundup doesn’t pass the sniff test either. i’m supposed to take on your word that it was an “experiment” (testing what hypothesis?) and an “inside joke” (where is the explanation?) despite the paper trail showing approximately 0% of this being true, but you’re totally comfortable speculating on the actions and motivations of Rimu – nay, a mysterious unnameable “piefed developer”? you have the gall to be salty they didn’t edit your narrative into their post about your instance admin’s behavior when you refuse to even say their fucking name? it’s gross! it’s gross.
lol at “corporate-LLMs”
after scrolling through a couple days and accounts on the extended db0verse it’s extremely hard not to come to the conclusion that it’s a haven for people who think Rimu specifically is some kind of combination antichrist/lolcow who is personally here to destroy all of mastodon, lemmy, and the concept of federation itself. some choice extracts from the very fine people over there:
very reasonable and normal account to have on your instance
that’s right, he’s personally deleting every post on the internet forever
fucking lol it’s these chuds again
that last one is on a thread completely detached from Rimu, by the way. Rimu possesses a kind of hyperagency, capable of superconvincing everyone of everything which is why any and all defederation due to AI slop is actually secretly his fault
so yeah, good riddance
I too was drawn with a morbid fascination to see what they were saying… db0 tried labeling all of awful.systems as dgerard’s collection of sockpuppets acting as his PR machine with maybe a few other humans. …I feel like I’m not living up to the hype, I’m not generating nearly enough PR for dgerard! Also, labeling us as a bunch of trolls. Which yes, one of our is literally called sneerclub, but since we don’t actually go onto lesswrong (or other rat communities) to stir up shit (we can find plenty pre-stirred) I don’t think trolls actually fits as a label.
db0 gets new job at IMAX with that projection power
db0 posted here for years but also thinks we’re all dgerard
given that the guy runs fediseer, an algorithmic spam blocklist that previously had a glowing endorsement for awful.systems and our moderation style straight from db0 until he deleted it yesterday, I don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine fediseer is about to go the direction all similar projects go and turn into some group’s personal shitlist, and the idea that we’re somehow all david and somehow all trolling (even though our instance pretty much keeps to itself) is going to be why we end up on the spam shitlist and possibly automatically defederated by a few large instances
db0 posted on awful.systems communities for long enough we were slow to deal with him being a huge problem and for that I apologize
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GiCfqQEEwk
Joke’s on them, odds are federation is broken anyway
The jank is a feature <3
Much like the Clock People in Even Cowgirls Get the Blues deliberately invented one ritual into which they could channel all their compulsions toward ritual, SneerClub is the place within which we can quarantine all our pettiness and have it manifest in an appropriate manner, i.e., reading Yudkowsky’s posts in the voice of Augustus St. Cloud from Venture Bros.
@ebu tried the link, oh dear:
"uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26037792
Because of the following filter:
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Found in: Super SEO Spam Suppressor"
…lol
also, poor wittle intern mod unruffled who was there as an admin barely for three years since day one, that’s no time to learn how to moderate at all
then after defed immediately came complaining on dedicated community
I could be charitable enough to imagine a conversation on Discord where one mod posts “heres the log, ngl he looks pretty bigoted, i already pre emptively banned them”, next mod posts “lol ran it through deepseek for funsies and got <clipboard.png>”, and finally somebody says “lmao gettin smarter erry day, verra nice, big thanks to big brother sponsor OpenAI™”, to which there are many Borat stickers and thumbs-up. I can’t be charitable enough to ignore their own wiki:
Wrong fucking dog-whistle, dudes. If you want to communicate that you’re open to responsible self-hosted machine learning which doesn’t simulate humans, then say that. As read, this sounds like they enjoy using
llama.cppat home, and the median friend in my orbit who is doingllama.cppat home is suffering light chatbot psychoses already. Honestly, it’s a little cringe that they haven’t declared aNeo-LeninistAnarchist Butlerian Jihad By Zero instead.wtf are these ideals supposed to be?
If its “libertarian, but doesn’t want people dying in the streets or dying of preventable diseases”, I will give them the tiniest modicum of credit for being better than standard libertarians, but being libertarian at all still leaves them deep in the negative on credibility in my books.
By which I assume they mean corporate models that got released as open weight models (and at-best/at-most got a touch of fine-tuning from a community effort), but still ultimately originated from mass plagiarism and are still not useful beyond generating slop…
“libertarian” outside the US is the leftist term that Rothbard specifically and knowingly co-opted for shitheadry
Ah, that makes sense. Right-wingers are regularly trying to twist left wing and academic terms to their own use.
So now, in the US, “libertarian socialist” sounds like it means “a socialist who knows too much about age-of-consent laws”.
Very little relation to capital-L Libertarians. Libertarian socialism is broadly socialism that seeks to replace the state with smaller-scale social structures and direct democracy that can satisfy everyone’s needs equitably without the threat of violence or enforcement of property rights. Libertarianism is meant to protect capitalism from the state; libertarian socialism is meant to protect people from both the state and capitalism. I don’t want to get into the details of leftist ideological micro-labels, but generally confusing anarchists with anarcho-capitalists is the quickest way to piss off both.
Thanks for the explanation.
Using an LLM is a pretty fundamental failure at protecting people from capitalism! I guess db0 hasn’t paid any serious attention to the discussion we’ve had on awful.systems…
“libertarian” outside of a US context is a perfectly valid word to use to describe “non-authoritarian” or anarchist left ideologies, e.g. libertarian communism or “libcom”
i suppose you’d say “left-libertarian” if the meaning is ambiguous, but here it should be implied by “socialism”
Yeah I guess my Americanness is showing here.
If they mean to claim the identity of being non-authoritarian or leftist… LLMs are pretty intrinsically fascist and authoritarian along multiple axes (as we’ve discussed many, many times here on awful.systems). Even if it really was a locally-run open weights model, that only mitigates the issues not removes them.
Ray Kurzweil Thought gonna be stimulating ideological incoherence for years to come
lol if i’d seen that i’d have moved to part ways long before this, goodness me
your read of this situation is entirely correct, but things aren’t as bad as you think. things are a bit worse
they’re running a distributed computing thing that hosts some llms and diffusion models, for their own and their users use
and, frankly, given the “what makes you think there even is a repo?” type answers, I’d have some Ops Maturity questions there too
(nvm even the code itself (which apparently is something in the ballpark of heisenberg dynamics))
update 2: they found the repo, week+ later, but won’t show you and it was made by yet another admin (tbf it was said straight previously deep in some thread). just a rogue mod, nothing to see here
i’m not a professional computer toucher, but i bet you’ll find something to sneer at here https://haidra.net/deleting-users/
I kept asking for the code, and their response was all manner of telling
Good on you for pushing that point. Trying to pass off the logging details identifying their llm as ChatGPT as a “joke” was incredibly stupid, but more people might have bought that lie if you didn’t press that followup question.
Yeah I’d like to see the python “query” script and its git history to ensure it just pulls user comment into a txt file and doesnt then autoprompt it into an LLM api/mcp. That’s the logical end point of querying user comments if you’re going to use an LLM to “analyze” them anyway.
Maybe some proof of this qwen instance with setup logs or something that shows it existed at the time of the supposed local query.
given opportunity they’ll make anarchist palantir then will insist it’s all fine because it’s open source, sorry “open weight”
This right here.
LLM usage is bad, but could be forgiven if the instances shut it down and put a plan in place to prevent a recurrence. A little “sorry” goes a long way.
The lying means that they aren’t sorry and can’t be trusted.
we’re talking about openly pro-genai instance where good majority of community banners is slop and that runs distributed chatbot cluster. apparently when you don’t just enourage brainrot as a service but also take it into your own hands and cook your own users autonomously, that must be some kind of revolutionary praxis