UPDATE: proof is at https://piefed.social/c/fediverse/p/2035409/proof-of-ai-assisted-political-profiling-by-unruffled-lemmy-dbzer0-com. The main instance is lemmy.dbzer0.com but anarchist.nexus and quokka.au share admin/mod teams so those two are suspect also. I recently discovered that some popular federated instances have been using LLM-assisted moderation tooling that evaluates whether someone has said something bannable. They do this by running a script/app that sends the […]
as seen here and here, some instances are feeding posts wholesale to prompts, for what seem like extremely unsound reasons to me
why are you going to bat for someone using unofficial tooling that proved to be extremely unpopular because it was used in a manner that looked like abuse to most observers and qualifies as abuse for instances like ours?
I am not defending them. Trust me I am plenty annoyed that I have to deal with the fallout and the constant disinfo it opened us up on. But at the end of the day, we’re humans and people are new at moderating and new to social media, and don’t always understand how visuals come across and how easy it is for people to pick up the pitchforks, and I’d rather make this a learning moment than a purging moment.
I will absolutely accept the shit that comes our way because people didn’t think how their actions would look (again, this doesn’t mean that LLM for moderation is good but being seen using is bad. The former is bad too.) But I don’t like being blamed for bringing the frigging LLM apocalypse to the fediverse, you know what I mean?
it feels kind of rich to come here angry when other people are asking you to stop. maybe you can just take our word for it that we don’t want an LLM anywhere in the moderation process, even as a post summarizer? you don’t have to understand why if you don’t want to.
For the record: I’m not angry at people telling us to stop. I am angry because we never even started and I keep saying this and it feels like people are just not listening and keep repeating the same disinfo and I have to keep saying “People, this is not true, this is not at all what happened” again and again.
I’d rather make this a learning moment than a purging moment.
absolutely! please show me you’ve learned from this moment by taking a stance against the use of LLMs anywhere in the moderation process and making it part of your instance’s policies going forward.
perform away! please keep in mind that Lemmy and ActivityPub are communities, and the only proof of intent we have is through action. a change in policy might feel performative, but it gives me something I can boost as a positive example and a sign that things will be better going forward.
We’re probably long overdue with an official meta post in our instance about this whole shitshow that we can link on the next time this disinfo is pushed.
I am not defending them. Trust me I am plenty annoyed that I have to deal with the fallout and the constant disinfo it opened us up on. But at the end of the day, we’re humans and people are new at moderating and new to social media, and don’t always understand how visuals come across and how easy it is for people to pick up the pitchforks, and I’d rather make this a learning moment than a purging moment.
I will absolutely accept the shit that comes our way because people didn’t think how their actions would look (again, this doesn’t mean that LLM for moderation is good but being seen using is bad. The former is bad too.) But I don’t like being blamed for bringing the frigging LLM apocalypse to the fediverse, you know what I mean?
For the record: I’m not angry at people telling us to stop. I am angry because we never even started and I keep saying this and it feels like people are just not listening and keep repeating the same disinfo and I have to keep saying “People, this is not true, this is not at all what happened” again and again.
absolutely! please show me you’ve learned from this moment by taking a stance against the use of LLMs anywhere in the moderation process and making it part of your instance’s policies going forward.
I think that would just be performative at this point, but I’ll discuss with the team.
perform away! please keep in mind that Lemmy and ActivityPub are communities, and the only proof of intent we have is through action. a change in policy might feel performative, but it gives me something I can boost as a positive example and a sign that things will be better going forward.
We’re probably long overdue with an official meta post in our instance about this whole shitshow that we can link on the next time this disinfo is pushed.