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The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
So the water usage of data centers/ai has long been controversial (either a huge issue/a non issue/distraction depending on who you ask) and the lack of real numbers around it made it hard to know more (but data center owners keeping it a secret made it sus). But now the stats of one google data center have been released due to legal pressure. 2-8 million gallons a day
Genuine questions borne of ignorance:
When they say “using” water, is this water that has to be actively removed from the supply each day, or does this number just say how much water is circulating in the center? I’m assuming it doesn’t all disappear, or does a lot of it end up released as steam or piped away as contaminated water or something?
The data center nearest to me uses sea-water, but I have no idea how much. And it doesn’t seem to put out steam or dump bad water back into the sea (not that I could tell if they were doing that).
I totally understand the electricity resource issue for data centers but the water usage thing confuses me, because I assumed it would be for cooling and therefore mostly contained and recirculated. With the exception of predictable maintenance issues like leaks and waste from mineral scale or algae, I don’t understand why this water would need to disappear, or why they would need to use potable water from the outset.
Admittedly my mental model is based on consumer CPU water-cooling setups at an imagined industrial scale. What am I missing?
This is comparable to the amount of water used by cherry farmers near Google’s site in The Dalles, who (according to my napkin) use somewhere between 2-8x what Google uses. This isn’t that much water for the Columbia River though; on an average day, it has enough flow in less than a minute to provide for both the cherry farmers and Google all day. However, it would be a big problem for a smaller river. (Interestingly, while fresh water is essential for datacenters, Google originally desired that site because it was cheap land next to cheap hydroelectric power.)
I was trying to put this into perspective by comparing this to the flow rate of the Des Plaines river. At the high end, 8 million gallons a day is something like 12.4 cubic feet per second constantly. Currently the Des Plaines has a discharge rate of 86-87 cubic feet per second, so a bit above 14% of the Des Plaines per data center.
Fuuuuck, that’s a lot. Thanks for doing the maths